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I come into this with an open mind, but I find several things here that leave me unpersuaded. First, there are some dubious assertions in the text above:

> "Mathematicians are the ultimate scientists, discovering absolute truths not just about this physical universe but about any possible universe."

I don't know anyone in the science community who would vouch for this. Math is a *tool* in science but not science itself. (If it were, then string theory would be the TOE and physics would be over.)

> "If it’s all just Stories and Math, and we are eliminating Math, then doesn’t that just make everything a Story? The answer is Yes."

Lakoff does not assert this in the video you linked. If that's *your* contention, you have a long way to go in grounding it. Lakoff starts off by stating that the dichotomy between invented or discovered math is false. He goes on to argue that patterns exist in nature (Nature's language?) and that we have emergent metaphors that align with those patterns. I'm not convinced, because in the video, at least, Lakoff implies, without evidence, that finding neural functions that are extendable into higher mathematics rules out the possibility that math exists independent of brains.

I have high regard for Lakoff and would not want to dismiss his case without reading his book, but on the face of it the argument seems trivial. Regardless of whether math is invented or discovered, human brains *must* have the capacity to model it, or we wouldn't be having a debate on its ontology.

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